Bless me father for I have sin. See nothing to it. Poof forgiven.
Posted: 8/24/2012 6:57:49 PM
Thank you so much St.Francis parish and the Knight of Columbus for standing up for the Catholic faith and for those unborn children murdered by abortion. The reason people are offended by this monument is because it conflicts with today's valueless, liberal, modernist society. Forty years ago this would of been seen as a place to lay flowers and pray . Now it is seen as intolerant, hateful and offensive. Why? because it confronts people of there sin, there abortions.
Posted: 8/24/2012 2:46:59 AM
Town advocate :
Our council missed the boat on this one for sure. I personally find it disturbing and distasteful to have this monument erected next to a main road and an elementary school . We lost a child at birth 17 years ago and my wife almost died as well . I don't need to see this every day I drive or walk through my community.As a taxpayer I expect better from our council , but the Catholic church never seems to surprise me anymore . Unreal when they had so much room to put it further off the road and in closer to the church or in the cemetery where it truly belongs. Again the blind leading the blind. No wonder so many Catholics don't attend church anymore with all the child porn and sexual abuse by members of the clergy and they choose to overlook and ignore the victims. Who are the real sinners?
Posted: 8/23/2012 11:03:46 PM
Welll they should have! :
maybe they should have took opinions, surveys, suggestions before deciding on what to put on it...then maybe it wouldn't be such a problem to have it up.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:37:49 PM
Other laws :
See Wayne you have a point but many of the reasons that people decide to abort their children are the other laws that many off there own congregation put in place that puts people in position where they have no choice. Their not that easiest to talk to when their sitting behind the government desk. I think the point for most was before you raise money for monuments and restoration of church buildings you do the fundraising to help the souls that are still waiting for restoration they can't wait 25 years.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:11:33 PM
To Celticsforlife: Your comment has nothing to do with this story, rather it sounds alot like you have some inner angry with some churches. So what if the KOC whats to put up a monument, they paid for it. The truth is, people who want to see the Church expelled are the very people demanding more rights, while they try like yourself, to destroy the rights of Christians.Its a two way street, not one...
Posted: 8/23/2012 5:20:44 PM
It is time to seperate the Knights of Columbus and the Church. The story is not about abuse but a monument. Keep to the issue at hand. Like i said there are thousands of these monuments worldwide. Two seperate issues. Why is it some eastcoast people always have to find something to complain about. There is a monument in both Grand Falls and Windsor for a number of years.
Posted: 8/23/2012 1:48:36 PM
The monument should be remembering all the sexual assault that stemmed from the Catholic Church and worry less about abortion. It will soon be time for the church to play no role in the lives of Newfoundlanders. Society should finally come to realize the facts and embrace science and forget about the church.
Posted: 8/23/2012 12:58:07 PM
The church should have put up a monument to honor all those children that were molested by the Catholic Church. An abortion is a decision made by a woman for her own personal reasons and not for some priest,bishop or pope to condemn her for. I'm sure those clergy did not feel any remorse for the pain and suffering inflicted they inflicted on those boys.
Posted: 8/23/2012 12:29:29 PM
To Wayne :
what happens in someone elses' body is no one's business but their own. How many unwanted crack babies or FAS babies have you adopted? How many would you be willing to adopt and raise? Antiabortionists seem to care about fetuses up until the moment they're born and could care less about them or their mothers after birth.
Posted: 8/23/2012 12:01:58 PM
To each their own, hence its a sensitive topic that is attracting much attention.
Like you, I have also had two miscarriages. As emotionally and physically painful as those two experiences were for me, I have not forgotten them, as no woman would.
Its the underlying message of the monument mixed with underlying suggestions and beliefs, not the fact of the "honoring" the babies that have passed on. And then its the underlying messages and beliefs that are strategically placed next to a school.
Posted: 8/23/2012 11:49:28 AM
Are people aware a baby fully formed can be aborted just before delivery in Canada without any criminal charges.Canada is the only country in the developed world where this is so. So it is alright to go into the hospital and ask a doctor to murder a fully developed human being without charge. This is why the Knights of Columbus are fighting for the rights of the unborn.
Posted: 8/23/2012 11:47:56 AM
This is really a sensitive issue. All children who have lost their lives should certainly be honoured. They were all innocent victims of whatever circumstances caused their death. The parents of children lost to miscarriage and still-birth are equally as innocent (mostly). However, the mothers who chose to end their childrens' lives are not innocent and should not be pittied, honoured, or recognized through a monument.
When I first heard about the monument, I didn't know who erected it, or its intended purpose. I kept asking how abortion could be included with miscarriage and still-birth. It seemed as though abortion was seen to be unavoidable and out of the mother's control. Having learned more about the monument, it is my understanding that it is in honour of the children, not in honour of the parents. That makes sense since all the babies that died were innocent victims.
Posted: 8/23/2012 11:30:42 AM
Preaching to the choir :
People, stop wasting your time with your comments here and do as the article says, "He says if people have a problem with the message, it should be conveyed to the parish council, or the Knights of Columbus."
These comments on the VOCM website will be gone in a day and forgotten about. If you want to make a difference, you need the correct audience.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:46:46 AM
Town taxpayer :
I feel that the monument should be moved. Not everyone especially kids should be subjected to the views of a few ramming this religious sign down our throats. Next to an elementary school and the main road is inappropriate . Religion was removed from the schools years ago so why is a priest still attending school concerts ? Give money to the poor or victims of sexual abuse instead and really make a difference.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:41:41 AM
Someone took objection to mourning aborted children along with still borns and miscarriages.
I support doing this! A child is a child no matter how he/she dies.
Is a person who dies from cancer any different from a loos from heartattack? Is a person who dies from war any different than a person who is drowned?
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:28:26 AM
Wayne Lynch :
There are thousands of these monument across the US, Canada, Mexico, and the Philippines for a longtime. This is not something new.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:27:47 AM
Seriously? said it all!!
My issue is that it is right next to the school. I am not opposed to children knowing about miscarriages and still-births, and remembering these children. The issue is that it also remembers children lost through abortion.
It is REALLY time for the school to cut ties to the RC church. Hopefully the new principal is not RC, atheist even, and things change.
Posted: 8/23/2012 10:22:06 AM
I believe the monument is in bad taste. You can put whatever spin on it you like but most people would recognize the real motive behind it. In the end they have a legal right to have it. I also have the right not to support the KOC in future fundraising endevours
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:52:19 AM
The whole truth :
Bravo to Seriously? He/she has nailed this one.
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:50:32 AM
Don't totally agree with it but it's a free country. I have my right to express and the church has theirs. Sorry to those offended by the monument, but if you don't like it, don't look.
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:27:34 AM
Holy moses :
Its funny because it was catholics that made up the law that says its ok. Its catholics with political ties that just raised millions of dollars to repair saint gaberals hall that they (the church)will own after 25 years but yet mount cashel victums still waiting for their money
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:25:10 AM
To Seriously, I aappreciate your sentiments. I am the mother of a son who is a victim of abuse by the church and as well I suffered the loss of two miscarried children. While I certainly would appreciate more sensitivity to the abused victims and, as a matter of fact, I feel those victims have been totally ignored. However, the loss of children through miscarriage has nothing to do with this abuse and I do appreciate the monument to them and to all other children who were not afforded the opportunity to be born.
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:07:13 AM
A church is a good place to put it But the monument itself is close to the road. Unless it gets moved there will probably be Some accidents caused or damaged itself. Either way, it should be moved Rather than paying for it to be fixed yearly or Seeing someone get hurt
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:05:59 AM
Seriously? You said it all perfectly, I don't feel the need to say anything else.
Posted: 8/23/2012 9:01:43 AM
I was writing a reply but Seriously? : said it all!
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:54:25 AM
How about the Knights of Columbus and the Catholic Church go erect a monument to honor molested children. This would be MUCH more applicable instead of one to "honor" those that have passed on either by CHOICE or because of reasons completely OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
1) I don't think somebody who had an abortion needs a reminder of the difficult decision they had to make in their lifetime.
2) I don't think the woman who miscarried needs a constant reminder she lost a baby not by her choice.
3) And I really don't think a person who had a stillbirth, who had to witness giving "birth" to a dead baby needs the constant reminder.
People deal with it in their own way. We don't need the public honoring the private moments of a woman and her family. Trust me.
So how about we honor those who have passed away or who are still living who endured abuse from the Church. How about they own up to that and erect that monument as a giant, permanent admittance of "we effed up, so much so, we'll erect a permanant, giant marble momument so we never forget".
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:43:23 AM
Selective Vision :
People are stuck on one word, "abortion." They fail to see the other victims listed on the monument such as stillbirths and misscarriage.
People, look at the big picture please! Take off your blinders.
Parents can mourn over all their children, regardless of cause of death. The monument does not cast judgement, it simply says it is okay to mourn and we support you.
As a family member of a couple of children who died before birth, I appreciate the monument.
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:39:41 AM
Where better to mourn the loss of a life than on church property? Is that not where we bury our dead? Makes perfect sense to me to erect a monument for dead children on church property.
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:30:30 AM
Enough Said :
The monument is on private land. Next, they will qestion which garden gnomes people can put up. What ever happened to freedom.
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:16:39 AM
Heart Felt Sympathies :
I see no problem with the monument.
We see monuments in memory of many people who have passed away from various illnesses or events. These monuments challenge us to take action to prevent such deaths in the future. They help us mourn. They remind us to support the families of those who died.
Why should the unborn be any different? Thousands of familes mourn the loss of a child. What parents forgets a child, alive or dead? Many anticipate birth for months and have their children die in the womb from stillbrith, miscarriage, and yes even abortion. The hearache and pain of loss is no different than if the child was born and then died.
Those who oppose the monument must not have any heart as they oppose a simple monument to dead children. These people are the ones that truly need to reflect on what actions they can take to prevent deaths like these in the future, to mourn, and to support those families who are in loss.
Posted: 8/23/2012 8:13:26 AM
Paying for Nova Scotia :
Posted: 8/23/2012 7:53:08 AM
Does it include all the children the that have been abused? A large number of those people lives were ruined before they even got started. Shouldn t be allowed especially on church property.